for president obama. >> they still are. they're still out there for him. it's hard to know exactly why in some cases. i think that there's no question, to some degree that race plays a part in all of that. we're still a country that's still sorting our way through a lot of racial issues. but i also think that what a lot of them believe is that you know, we can get these things done on our own. we don't need the government help and we'll see where it goes from there. >> what about star power? i think about bill clinton horrible speech in 1988 at the convention. >> i remember that right. >> i avoided him the next day. he said hey tom and i went the other way, i didn't know what to say to him. but it was -- we learned a lot about clinton, he gave that terrible speech and when he said in conclusion, the place went up, thank god, we're in conclusion. he went on johnny carson. he was trying to track me down to explain himself. i didn't know what to say to him. because it had been so embarrassing. >> in four years later, he ushers in this new era of leveraging hollywood personal biography and opening